So many Democrat friends are losing their minds right now on social media. They are ranting and raging. They seem so unhinged that it is making the whole situation worse for their party. They are not willing to understand why they lost the election, what the deeper issues are, and they offer no productive solutions. The last few weeks have been brutal to witness on social media. It is like watching a temper tantrum of adults. How in the world will they calm themselves down? How can they be reached to learn more about gender issues? It actually feels somewhat traumizing to me to see their rage. We seem immersed in troubling times.
If a man would cut off his own dick, what would he do to a woman in a closed-in space? Men who have cut off their own body parts are not less threatening than men who haven't.
I can't believe you're calling a man "she". Shows that you just don't get it. Also, men who violate women's boundaries don't deserve any attention as to their motivations for doing so. (Your interest in making a distinction between different types of men who commit the same crime.) You're showing exactly the undeserved sympathy for men that women so often show, that is used so effectively to advance this evil agenda.
The email intro sent out to Jenny's subscribers for this post explains:
"Okay, it’s possible that I talk too much when I’m nervous or excited, and I’ll admit to all of that in my conversation with this hero and icon of feminist, sex-realist activism and scholarship. Possibly worse: at one point I bring up LaVerne Cox from “Orange is the New Black,” and I proceed to talk about him using exclusively female pronouns for at least a minute. To Kara Dansky. Hand-slapping-face-emoji is all I can think to say for myself."
It's an occasional mistake many of us--even the harshest of gender ideology critics--are prone to make, after decades of being indoctrinated into trans ideology. It just shows how deeply it has been imbedded into the publics' minds.
I just can't understand how she could make this mistake, as someone who's been studying, following and writing about this issue. I think it demonstrates failure to really understand what our job is. As soon as we understand what the threat and the manipulation is being attempted on our minds, our only job is to not fall for it, not capitulate to it. Whatever we're told to do or say, our job is to not do or say it. That includes psycho-analyzing the male criminals. If we didn't have an interest before in male sex criminality, we shouldn't suddenly now have an interest in it.
Thanks to Gary for pasting the text I would have pasted. I'll take the L again for the misgendering offense. It's not something I'd do in writing.
Your other complaint is interesting to me in its suggestion that it's wrongthink to extend any compassion or grace to a young gay man whose puberty was forcibly prevented by his own parents and ostensible healthcare providers in order to foreclose the possibility of his adult sexuality. In my Vietnam analogy he's the hapless GI who was unlucky enough to get drafted. Isn't our shared outrage based largely on the fact that children can't consent to these procedures, which are barbaric and irredeemable in the first place?
The point I was trying to make in the KKG case is that the girls who steamrolled over their own sisters' safety concerns in their zeal to signal their woke virtue seemed to lack even the most basic understanding of 'trans women.' To me, these distinctions are bedrock, and also plain fascinating. I don't think it's my 'job' to pretend otherwise.
None of this is to say that even the most hapless and victimized boy ever becomes a woman. But I'd rather have dinner with Cori Cohn (love to, actually) than Rachel Levine, and I think painting them with the same brush, especially when we're talking about sex criminals, is facile and unhelpful.
Beautifully put. Jazz Jennings and Corinna Cohn are both victims of a horrible medical and social scandal.
Perhaps, in a way, Rachel Levine is too, but he is so self-centered and hellbent on proving he is in the right that he is willing to throw children under the bus, which tends to negate the victim aspect of his experience.
While I agree with Cohn that no man - even Cohn or even Jennings - should be allowed into female only spaces and sports, the reasoning is as Cohn put it. If we say you can only join the girls if you cut off body parts, we are encouraging cutting off body parts! We have to simply draw a line (the line drawn by nature) and say no males can join female only sports and spaces.
Then we have to figure out how to care for people like Cohn, who end up realizing they never needed to medicalize to find any happiness. And we have to have compassion for parents who were duped into allowing this on pain of their child’s suicide, or even those who just got duped into thinking this was a good thing. They were wrong and many have been hurt because of it, but, if we can never forgive them, they will never feel comfortable admitting the mistake
If there are any of them who we can prove knew it was wrong and insisted on either giving the interventions (evil doctors or psychologists) or on passing the laws (evil politicians), we can punish them. As for the rest of the indoctrinated public, they need grace for us to put this nightmare behind us.
This was a terrific interview. Jenny, I appreciate and admire how thoughtful and focused you are as an interviewer, enabling you both to cover a wide range of complicated topics in a clear and engaging way. I want you to know, also, that even though I am a retired lawyer (strong emphasis on retired), I appreciated your questions to and Kara’s answers on the interplay between state and federal law. Indeed, I would have enjoyed hearing about whether, when it comes to preemption, EOs are treated any differently from federal laws and regulations. (It appears that they may be, but my little effort at research didn’t offer any clarity on that.) But that probably would have put most listeners here to sleep!
I also appreciated very much the discussion toward the end, teeing off Eliza’s commentary and concerns, which, on learning about that from her, I share. There is a need for an off-ramp here, as a lot of young people were misled in all the ways you recounted, and are now very scared. I don’t have any confidence that compassion will be part of the equation in addressing that right now. I think Eliza was right to point to how Danielle Smith handled this: the change was firm, but the caring was there too for people who had been harmed. The Democrats have failed us on so many fronts, and a failure of leadership on this kind of issue right now is yet another addition to the list.
Thanks so much for that thoughtful comment, Susan. Yes, Danielle Smith, a Canadian, is the kind of messenger I would have chosen. Thinking about it now, I feel like the Dems could still create an opening to build the off ramp (a better word than my ‘amnesty’) and be useful to people who’ve been so badly misinformed. Dems could even claim to be part of that group! But Kara’s right, they just refuse to get out of their own way. It’s like they’ve all signed a political suicide pact— just insane.
“Dems could still create an opening to build the off ramp” is something for which I devoutly wish as well. I think somehow they are lacking in basic emotional intelligence, let alone knowing how to lead. My spouse (a lIfelong K-12 educator and at the end a head of school, now retired, but keeping her hand in to write and join with others against this madness), long ago learned that, if your school gets into a ditch somehow, you lance the boil by owning the problem, as fast as you can, and then work relentlessly to regain credibility and trust. How completely insane that what we see here is a response that digs them deeper and deeper into a hole.
Always good to hear Kara talk. Sound and wise.
So many Democrat friends are losing their minds right now on social media. They are ranting and raging. They seem so unhinged that it is making the whole situation worse for their party. They are not willing to understand why they lost the election, what the deeper issues are, and they offer no productive solutions. The last few weeks have been brutal to witness on social media. It is like watching a temper tantrum of adults. How in the world will they calm themselves down? How can they be reached to learn more about gender issues? It actually feels somewhat traumizing to me to see their rage. We seem immersed in troubling times.
If a man would cut off his own dick, what would he do to a woman in a closed-in space? Men who have cut off their own body parts are not less threatening than men who haven't.
I can't believe you're calling a man "she". Shows that you just don't get it. Also, men who violate women's boundaries don't deserve any attention as to their motivations for doing so. (Your interest in making a distinction between different types of men who commit the same crime.) You're showing exactly the undeserved sympathy for men that women so often show, that is used so effectively to advance this evil agenda.
The email intro sent out to Jenny's subscribers for this post explains:
"Okay, it’s possible that I talk too much when I’m nervous or excited, and I’ll admit to all of that in my conversation with this hero and icon of feminist, sex-realist activism and scholarship. Possibly worse: at one point I bring up LaVerne Cox from “Orange is the New Black,” and I proceed to talk about him using exclusively female pronouns for at least a minute. To Kara Dansky. Hand-slapping-face-emoji is all I can think to say for myself."
It's an occasional mistake many of us--even the harshest of gender ideology critics--are prone to make, after decades of being indoctrinated into trans ideology. It just shows how deeply it has been imbedded into the publics' minds.
I just can't understand how she could make this mistake, as someone who's been studying, following and writing about this issue. I think it demonstrates failure to really understand what our job is. As soon as we understand what the threat and the manipulation is being attempted on our minds, our only job is to not fall for it, not capitulate to it. Whatever we're told to do or say, our job is to not do or say it. That includes psycho-analyzing the male criminals. If we didn't have an interest before in male sex criminality, we shouldn't suddenly now have an interest in it.
Thanks to Gary for pasting the text I would have pasted. I'll take the L again for the misgendering offense. It's not something I'd do in writing.
Your other complaint is interesting to me in its suggestion that it's wrongthink to extend any compassion or grace to a young gay man whose puberty was forcibly prevented by his own parents and ostensible healthcare providers in order to foreclose the possibility of his adult sexuality. In my Vietnam analogy he's the hapless GI who was unlucky enough to get drafted. Isn't our shared outrage based largely on the fact that children can't consent to these procedures, which are barbaric and irredeemable in the first place?
The point I was trying to make in the KKG case is that the girls who steamrolled over their own sisters' safety concerns in their zeal to signal their woke virtue seemed to lack even the most basic understanding of 'trans women.' To me, these distinctions are bedrock, and also plain fascinating. I don't think it's my 'job' to pretend otherwise.
None of this is to say that even the most hapless and victimized boy ever becomes a woman. But I'd rather have dinner with Cori Cohn (love to, actually) than Rachel Levine, and I think painting them with the same brush, especially when we're talking about sex criminals, is facile and unhelpful.
Beautifully put. Jazz Jennings and Corinna Cohn are both victims of a horrible medical and social scandal.
Perhaps, in a way, Rachel Levine is too, but he is so self-centered and hellbent on proving he is in the right that he is willing to throw children under the bus, which tends to negate the victim aspect of his experience.
While I agree with Cohn that no man - even Cohn or even Jennings - should be allowed into female only spaces and sports, the reasoning is as Cohn put it. If we say you can only join the girls if you cut off body parts, we are encouraging cutting off body parts! We have to simply draw a line (the line drawn by nature) and say no males can join female only sports and spaces.
Then we have to figure out how to care for people like Cohn, who end up realizing they never needed to medicalize to find any happiness. And we have to have compassion for parents who were duped into allowing this on pain of their child’s suicide, or even those who just got duped into thinking this was a good thing. They were wrong and many have been hurt because of it, but, if we can never forgive them, they will never feel comfortable admitting the mistake
If there are any of them who we can prove knew it was wrong and insisted on either giving the interventions (evil doctors or psychologists) or on passing the laws (evil politicians), we can punish them. As for the rest of the indoctrinated public, they need grace for us to put this nightmare behind us.
This was a terrific interview. Jenny, I appreciate and admire how thoughtful and focused you are as an interviewer, enabling you both to cover a wide range of complicated topics in a clear and engaging way. I want you to know, also, that even though I am a retired lawyer (strong emphasis on retired), I appreciated your questions to and Kara’s answers on the interplay between state and federal law. Indeed, I would have enjoyed hearing about whether, when it comes to preemption, EOs are treated any differently from federal laws and regulations. (It appears that they may be, but my little effort at research didn’t offer any clarity on that.) But that probably would have put most listeners here to sleep!
I also appreciated very much the discussion toward the end, teeing off Eliza’s commentary and concerns, which, on learning about that from her, I share. There is a need for an off-ramp here, as a lot of young people were misled in all the ways you recounted, and are now very scared. I don’t have any confidence that compassion will be part of the equation in addressing that right now. I think Eliza was right to point to how Danielle Smith handled this: the change was firm, but the caring was there too for people who had been harmed. The Democrats have failed us on so many fronts, and a failure of leadership on this kind of issue right now is yet another addition to the list.
Thanks so much for that thoughtful comment, Susan. Yes, Danielle Smith, a Canadian, is the kind of messenger I would have chosen. Thinking about it now, I feel like the Dems could still create an opening to build the off ramp (a better word than my ‘amnesty’) and be useful to people who’ve been so badly misinformed. Dems could even claim to be part of that group! But Kara’s right, they just refuse to get out of their own way. It’s like they’ve all signed a political suicide pact— just insane.
“Dems could still create an opening to build the off ramp” is something for which I devoutly wish as well. I think somehow they are lacking in basic emotional intelligence, let alone knowing how to lead. My spouse (a lIfelong K-12 educator and at the end a head of school, now retired, but keeping her hand in to write and join with others against this madness), long ago learned that, if your school gets into a ditch somehow, you lance the boil by owning the problem, as fast as you can, and then work relentlessly to regain credibility and trust. How completely insane that what we see here is a response that digs them deeper and deeper into a hole.